Edited coverage of a 'high level' discussion in November 2004, in memory of the beginning of the Hartz-IV-madness.

Participants: Franz Müntefering (at that time SPD-party leader), the prime minister of Thüringen Dieter Althaus (CDU), a representative of the German business class and Paul Nolte (history professor).

A spooky snapshot that reveals outlines of how far "we" want to go to make Germany "fit for the future".