Interview with Robert Kurz - The crisis process of globalization provokes several reactions that follow crude patterns. In most cases they indulge in nostalgia for national states in their comfortable Fordist prosperity, or - complementary to that - they rave against the "locusts", often with an antisemitic subtext. A return to normal, that is back to the national state, and a respectable accumulation in a hegded zoo without the locusts is not possible any more. Robert Kurz explains why.